Cult Alert: Chi In Nature-Daoist Perversion.
Mar 26, 2010 14:03:58 GMT 1
Post by Xian on Mar 26, 2010 14:03:58 GMT 1
Dear All
I have received a number of reports over the last year or so, complaining about the Chi In Nature 'Toaist' organisation selling its goods out of Canada. It is run by someone calling themselves 'Mak Tin Si' - rather humbley, the Chinese word 'Tinsi' often translates as 'angel', but even more humbley 'master Mak' uses the term to refer to himself as 'Heaven Sent'. Here is a discussion about his cult activities:
Mak Tin Si
www.thetaobums.com/index.php?/topic/10095-questionable-mak-tin-si-sect/
Please be careful with this sort of thing. Mak Tin Si is not a Daoist master, but a con artist. He is a young Cantonese speaker from Hong Kong. He and one or two others are fooling gullible people in paying thousands of dollars into buying their phony talismans, prayers and rituals. Mak Tin Si peddles an $80 prayer for general helath. A person has to hand over the money and he forwards the mantra. He pronounces everything in Cantonese, so his mantras are pronounced that way. As a means to undermine his industry of abuse, I am reproducing the mantra in Chinese here:
English translation:
'<Chi in Nature's Taoism Branch Lineage Poem>
The Taoism energy will lead you to understand the chi in nature and how nature works.
Faith of this Taoism knowledge will last forever to the infinite
Positive karma and ethics will lead to the real peace of heart
This method and branch will pass from generations to generations forever.'
Cantonese pronounciation:
'Faat Ng Tung Tin Dei,
Yuen Yuen Mo Jai Min.
Duk Jung Sam Ching Jing,
Chin Goo Wing Lau Chuen.'
This was forwarded to me by someone who paid the $80 to find that not only does this mantra not work, but that after paying mak Tin Si the $80, he became abusive and would not help or advise. He even refused to refund this person, who had paid by Paypal - believe it or not, Paypal refused to listen to the complaint. So be careful using Paypal for these kinds of things.
Do not be fool byt he Chi In Nature webiste, it is a classic example of over-loading the reader with pointless information, ultimately designed to illcit payment from the avergae person. Daoism is not obscure - it is clear. The selling of anything is against the ethos of legitimate Daoism. Be careful. The Dao De Jing and the Zhuangzi are key texts to study for Daoist beliefs - and Charles Luk's Taoist Yoga maybe relied upon. In China, sometimes people of the Chengyi Daoist sect sell spells and the like, but generally speaking, Chinese people are better informed than Westerners. My sect is Lungmen - I have no official lineage as such, but this tradition is passed down in my family.
Daoism in natural - it is nature incarnate. Nature can not be brought or sold on the internet. Mak Tin Si is a young business man misleading all and sundry with his sleight of hand and business plan. He is far too young to be conisdered a 'mastr' of any sort in any Chinese art, that includes the many and varied martial arts he claims to have learnt and mastered in his short life. No martial arts masters of the styles he mentions have ever heard of him. On the internet forums, he speaks with force and does not listen to the view of others - so much for the 'empty cup' of Daoism, or the 'uncarved blaock'. He never ansers any questions put to him, but talks around subjects in the hope that you willl go away and stop asking. In a sense, a discussion forum for him is not a place for the exchange of knowledge and wisdom, but rather an oppertunity for him to advertise his nonsense.
Daoism is a beautiful philosophy - we must strive to keep it this way by weeding out those who would try to distort it. This is a similar quest like that related to preserving master Xu Yun's memory in the tide of false Ch'an schools and 'orders' attributed to his name, but are infact nothing but cults misleading people. The Dao that can be expressed, is not the eternal Dao.... - as the great Laozi wrote.
The Peace of the Dao to you.
I have received a number of reports over the last year or so, complaining about the Chi In Nature 'Toaist' organisation selling its goods out of Canada. It is run by someone calling themselves 'Mak Tin Si' - rather humbley, the Chinese word 'Tinsi' often translates as 'angel', but even more humbley 'master Mak' uses the term to refer to himself as 'Heaven Sent'. Here is a discussion about his cult activities:
Mak Tin Si
www.thetaobums.com/index.php?/topic/10095-questionable-mak-tin-si-sect/
Please be careful with this sort of thing. Mak Tin Si is not a Daoist master, but a con artist. He is a young Cantonese speaker from Hong Kong. He and one or two others are fooling gullible people in paying thousands of dollars into buying their phony talismans, prayers and rituals. Mak Tin Si peddles an $80 prayer for general helath. A person has to hand over the money and he forwards the mantra. He pronounces everything in Cantonese, so his mantras are pronounced that way. As a means to undermine his industry of abuse, I am reproducing the mantra in Chinese here:
English translation:
'<Chi in Nature's Taoism Branch Lineage Poem>
The Taoism energy will lead you to understand the chi in nature and how nature works.
Faith of this Taoism knowledge will last forever to the infinite
Positive karma and ethics will lead to the real peace of heart
This method and branch will pass from generations to generations forever.'
Cantonese pronounciation:
'Faat Ng Tung Tin Dei,
Yuen Yuen Mo Jai Min.
Duk Jung Sam Ching Jing,
Chin Goo Wing Lau Chuen.'
This was forwarded to me by someone who paid the $80 to find that not only does this mantra not work, but that after paying mak Tin Si the $80, he became abusive and would not help or advise. He even refused to refund this person, who had paid by Paypal - believe it or not, Paypal refused to listen to the complaint. So be careful using Paypal for these kinds of things.
Do not be fool byt he Chi In Nature webiste, it is a classic example of over-loading the reader with pointless information, ultimately designed to illcit payment from the avergae person. Daoism is not obscure - it is clear. The selling of anything is against the ethos of legitimate Daoism. Be careful. The Dao De Jing and the Zhuangzi are key texts to study for Daoist beliefs - and Charles Luk's Taoist Yoga maybe relied upon. In China, sometimes people of the Chengyi Daoist sect sell spells and the like, but generally speaking, Chinese people are better informed than Westerners. My sect is Lungmen - I have no official lineage as such, but this tradition is passed down in my family.
Daoism in natural - it is nature incarnate. Nature can not be brought or sold on the internet. Mak Tin Si is a young business man misleading all and sundry with his sleight of hand and business plan. He is far too young to be conisdered a 'mastr' of any sort in any Chinese art, that includes the many and varied martial arts he claims to have learnt and mastered in his short life. No martial arts masters of the styles he mentions have ever heard of him. On the internet forums, he speaks with force and does not listen to the view of others - so much for the 'empty cup' of Daoism, or the 'uncarved blaock'. He never ansers any questions put to him, but talks around subjects in the hope that you willl go away and stop asking. In a sense, a discussion forum for him is not a place for the exchange of knowledge and wisdom, but rather an oppertunity for him to advertise his nonsense.
Daoism is a beautiful philosophy - we must strive to keep it this way by weeding out those who would try to distort it. This is a similar quest like that related to preserving master Xu Yun's memory in the tide of false Ch'an schools and 'orders' attributed to his name, but are infact nothing but cults misleading people. The Dao that can be expressed, is not the eternal Dao.... - as the great Laozi wrote.
The Peace of the Dao to you.