Dong Shan: A Wrangle That Would Miss It.
Nov 11, 2012 19:45:10 GMT 1
Post by Shi Da Dao on Nov 11, 2012 19:45:10 GMT 1
'At Leh T'an, master Dong Shan saw the assembly leader Ch'u, who said:
"It is very wonderful, so wonderful.
The realm of the Buddha and Tao are inconceivable."
The master asked: "I do not ask about the realms of Buddha and Tao, but who is talking about these realms?" The leader remained silent for a long while without answering and the master said: "Why do you not speak quickly?" The leader replied: "To wrangle about it is (simply) to miss it." The master said: "No mention (of it) has even been made; why do you talk about a wrangle that would miss it?" The leader could not answer and the master said: "Buddha and Tao are but names and terms; why do you not bring out the teaching (of the sutras to amplify their meaning)?" The leader asked: "What does the teaching say?" The master replied: "(It says that) when the meaning is understood, all words (should be) forgotten." The leader observed: "This is bringing out the teacher's meaning to make the mind sick." The master asked: "Is the sickness of one talking about Buddha and Tao slight or sever?" The leader could not reply and suddenly died the following day. (For this reason,) the master was at the time called 'Liang Chiai, the killer of the assembly leader'."
Ch'an and Zen Teaching - Second Series: By Charles Luk - page 133
"It is very wonderful, so wonderful.
The realm of the Buddha and Tao are inconceivable."
The master asked: "I do not ask about the realms of Buddha and Tao, but who is talking about these realms?" The leader remained silent for a long while without answering and the master said: "Why do you not speak quickly?" The leader replied: "To wrangle about it is (simply) to miss it." The master said: "No mention (of it) has even been made; why do you talk about a wrangle that would miss it?" The leader could not answer and the master said: "Buddha and Tao are but names and terms; why do you not bring out the teaching (of the sutras to amplify their meaning)?" The leader asked: "What does the teaching say?" The master replied: "(It says that) when the meaning is understood, all words (should be) forgotten." The leader observed: "This is bringing out the teacher's meaning to make the mind sick." The master asked: "Is the sickness of one talking about Buddha and Tao slight or sever?" The leader could not reply and suddenly died the following day. (For this reason,) the master was at the time called 'Liang Chiai, the killer of the assembly leader'."
Ch'an and Zen Teaching - Second Series: By Charles Luk - page 133